Life-Time Warranty Exterior Paint

[Cal]

Most Life-Time Warranty paints with any manufacture have a Limited Warranty against blistering, bubbling, and peeling. However, the same Life-Time Warranty paints are not warrantied against Fade. Normally exterior paints of high quality will fade 5-7% per year depending upon the Weather conditions and intense Sun. So reading the fine print on the side of the bucket is beneficial to both parties, painting contractor and homeowner.

Doing a test, we came back recently to a home in Aurora, we used Duration 7 years ago, and could barely tell any difference from paint left over in the bucket (testing on the home) to 7 year old paint, which shows the high quality properties these Life-Time Warranty paints have, holding up great.

[TomKinley]

I agree with you, This is the great suggestion.

[Jason@API]

Cal,

That's encouraging. Unlike Super Paint, the Duration seems to have good color retention. I'm about due to get exterior return customers here in about a year or so. I'd like to see some of my projects without having to take time out of my schedule to run around and look at them. Waiting for a repaint on a job done in the past is a long process, but surely rewarding.

I have moved to Ben for the 25 year warranty paint based on it's new colorant technology. Hopefully the fading will be less of an issue.

Thanks for your input.

[Cal]

(10-22-2011 11:34 AM)Jason@API Wrote:  Cal,

That's encouraging. Unlike Super Paint, the Duration seems to have good color retention. I'm about due to get exterior return customers here in about a year or so. I'd like to see some of my projects without having to take time out of my schedule to run around and look at them. Waiting for a repaint on a job done in the past is a long process, but surely rewarding.

I have moved to Ben for the 25 year warranty paint based on it's new colorant technology. Hopefully the fading will be less of an issue.

Thanks for your input.

Hope your not too involved with warranty issues, Fade was a great learning for experience me too. Staying with the Best SW/BM, what is also mostly unknown using top brands, is great field support by these same companies if ever needed.

[Jason@API]

(10-22-2011 04:38 PM)Cal Wrote:  Hope your not too involved with warranty issues...

Not at all. Never had a warranty issue in my whole painting career. Well, at least with paint. I had one workmanship warranty issue once, learned from that mistake. It cost me $2200 plus labor (mine) to fix it... Whew! But we got'r done and I still have a satisfied customer.

[Cal]

(10-23-2011 01:02 AM)Jason@API Wrote:  I had one workmanship warranty issue once, learned from that mistake. It cost me $2200 plus labor (mine) to fix it... Whew! But we got'r done and I still have a satisfied customer.

Can't remember having a workmanship issue, nor paint warranty, but learned a valuable lesson. We will never apply solid body stain or paint to Cedar Shake Shingles. We power washed shingles with wood brightener/cleaner. Let dry 24-48 hrs. Primed all surface with oil primer, then applied a ICI WoodPride Alkyd Solid Stain. 4 mos. later huge paint chips curling up over entire exterior. At first glance, appeared to be workmanship, or a product warranty. Neither One!

What was happening, examining the backside of every paint chip, thin layer of wood present, showing proper adhesion was met. Also showing the Cedar Shingle sloughing off, as they are suppose to do, giving way to newer wood underneath. This was not a mistake for customer, contractor, nor paint supplier, but something to never do again, as Cedar Shake Shingles are meant to slough-off old wood, giving way to newer.

This did cost me approx. $2500 out of pocket, finally considering it was a workmanship issue, everyone finally happy. Ouch!

[Jason@API]

(10-23-2011 03:34 AM)Cal Wrote:  

(10-23-2011 01:02 AM)Jason@API Wrote:  I had one workmanship warranty issue once, learned from that mistake. It cost me $2200 plus labor (mine) to fix it... Whew! But we got'r done and I still have a satisfied customer.

Can't remember having a workmanship issue, nor paint warranty, but learned a valuable lesson. We will never apply solid body stain or paint to Cedar Shake Shingles. We power washed shingles with wood brightener/cleaner. Let dry 24-48 hrs. Primed all surface with oil primer, then applied a ICI WoodPride Alkyd Solid Stain. 4 mos. later huge paint chips curling up over entire exterior. At first glance, appeared to be workmanship, or a product warranty. Neither One!

What was happening, examining the backside of every paint chip, thin layer of wood present, showing proper adhesion was met. Also showing the Cedar Shingle sloughing off, as they are suppose to do, giving way to newer wood underneath. This was not a mistake for customer, contractor, nor paint supplier, but something to never do again, as Cedar Shake Shingles are meant to slough-off old wood, giving way to newer.

This did cost me approx. $2500 out of pocket, finally considering it was a workmanship issue, everyone finally happy. Ouch!

I have never seen cedar shake fail when prepped right. My situation was almost identical to yours, where we had washed cedar shake and oil primed then applied Duration paint. In this case I was uneducated (first time painting shake) in the processes and didn't clean the shake well enough. Apparently the greying of the wood is dead wood and is design to be a natural self protector. Anything you apply on this dead grey wood will come off. It can be the best of the best of primers and it will not adhere long term. We get a lot of weather variations with hot and cold climate changes. What this does is cause the wood to expand and contract more often. When you put a non breathable pigmented product (oil primer) on cedar it doesn't want to move with the wood when confronted with differing weather conditions and will tend to crack and chip over time. What I have learned and works really well is to use oxalic acid (Revive at SW) as this will remove ALL that dead wood and bring your surface back to new wood then let dry and apply a waterborne stain (solid or otherwise) as a primer before painting, or simply use the stain for your topcoat. Woodscapes at SW only requires one coat and works great. I have primed cedar siding with woodscapes solid and followed up with Duration. Did that this year. Here is that project on my facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...642&type=1

[Cal]

(10-23-2011 03:55 AM)Jason@API Wrote:  I have never seen cedar shake fail when prepped right. My situation was almost identical to yours, where we had washed cedar shake and oil primed then applied Duration paint. In this case I was uneducated (first time painting shake) in the processes and didn't clean the shake well enough. Apparently the greying of the wood is dead wood and is design to be a natural self protector. Anything you apply on this dead grey wood will come off. It can be the best of the best of primers and it will not adhere long term. We get a lot of weather variations with hot and cold climate changes. What this does is cause the wood to expand and contract more often. When you put a non breathable pigmented product (oil primer) on cedar it doesn't want to move with the wood when confronted with differing weather conditions and will tend to crack and chip over time. What I have learned and works really well is to use oxalic acid (Revive at SW) as this will remove ALL that dead wood and bring your surface back to new wood then let dry and apply a waterborne stain (solid or otherwise) as a primer before painting, or simply use the stain for your topcoat. Woodscapes at SW only requires one coat and works great. I have primed cedar siding with woodscapes solid and followed up with Duration. Did that this year. Here is that project on my facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...642&type=1

This is Great, however I'm too gun shy to ever paint Cedar shakes again, thinking we cleaned, power washing, shakes looked brand new before we primed. Absolutely correct about oils not giving, being hard, and cedar expands and contracts, always on the move. If asked again by a customer, I would only apply an oil stain being transparent or semi. Keeping in mind in my experience, the back of every paint chip had a thin layer of wood, so adhesion was working fine, shingles were very clean, matter of fact, we had a living mess of fine cedar dust on the ground, having to clean up. Great idea of priming with WS, followed by Duration !!! Have to remember that~! Some things are never taught in school lol

[EthanJoshua]

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